"Hi Carly Fiorina foot, say hello to Carly Fiorina's mouth".
Carly Finorina, former CEO of HP and most recently a senior economic advisor for the McCain campaign, was demoted from her once lofty position as lead spokeswoman for McCain's Straight Talk Express yesterday. Why?...because the left-wing-media took her words out of context? or presented misleading snippets that depicted a false portrayal? No, the left-wing-media didn't fire her...the McCain Campaign fired her.
Appearing on a KTRS Radio show in St. Louis, Fiorina was asked by the host re. Palin, "Do you think she has the experience to run a major company like Hewlett Packard?" Fiorina responded, "No I don't,...but that's not what she's running for. Running a corporation is a different set of things." That's a great answer, a really good answer, straight talk kinda answer, and revealed Fiorina's true feelings.
You see, Fiorina has a hell of a resume. She attended Stanford, UCLA School of Law, University of Maryland (my wife's Alma Matter), and MIT Sloan School. She ran Lucent Technologies and was ranked #1 most powerful woman in business by Fortune in 1998, and ran Hewlett-Packard from 1999 to 2005. She has been a staunch supporter and chief economic advisor to the McCain campaign since early 2008. She is, to use the California colloquialism, "hella" smart.
And she spoke the truth.
Now lets step back. When the networks got wind of this, they jumped on it like a pack of hyenas on a caribou carcass on the open plains of the Serengeti (I'm channelling theDiscourser right there) and scrambled to get an on-camera elaboration...and they did. Later that day, she appeared on NBC with Andrea Mitchell and everyone expected her to take back what she had said, claim that her depiction was taken out of context, tell the nation that she has the utmost respect for Palin's intellect and is coming on NBC to let everyone know this.
What happened was stunning. She not only did NOT take it back, but said that McCain couldn't run a company either, and that none of the candidates can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnBXXssj0KY
Another truthful answer, but it was a terrible answer from a political perspective. I honestly believe that if you were a friend of Carly's, hangin out having a beer or cup of coffee with her, away from any cameras or recording devices, she would tell you EXACTLY what she told the press...and I'm sure in a much less diplomatic way. She gave a straight answer.
Fiorina is imminently more qualified than Palin and I can tell you honestly that if Fiorina was chosen, I certainly would not have the same kind of revolting response as I've had with Palin's pick.
Anywayz, I'm currently reading, courtesy of theProf., "South Park Conservatives: The Revolt Against Liberal Media Bias". Good book actually, an "indictment" (too strong a word really) on media bias. My issue is in regards to conservative radio. Right-wing talk shows dominate radio talk show programming across the country: 1000+ affiliates to some 65. As the book demonstrates, this phenomenon is a "revolt" against mainstream media sources. But "revolt" aside, we're still talking 100 million listeners a week...Rush has 14 million just by himself. Not to claim that this tips the scale but nevertheless, Right wing media exists, flourishes, and impacts public perception.
I want to leave you with one more item regarding Right Wing Perception:
"* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
* If your name is Barrack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.
* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now.
You are The Boss... which team would you hire?
With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc.
Educational Background:
*Obama:*
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
*& Biden:*
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
*McCain:*
United States Naval Academy - Class rank *894* of 899
*& Palin*:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism
Now, which team are you going to hire ?
Ouch!
Appearing on a KTRS Radio show in St. Louis, Fiorina was asked by the host re. Palin, "Do you think she has the experience to run a major company like Hewlett Packard?" Fiorina responded, "No I don't,...but that's not what she's running for. Running a corporation is a different set of things." That's a great answer, a really good answer, straight talk kinda answer, and revealed Fiorina's true feelings.
You see, Fiorina has a hell of a resume. She attended Stanford, UCLA School of Law, University of Maryland (my wife's Alma Matter), and MIT Sloan School. She ran Lucent Technologies and was ranked #1 most powerful woman in business by Fortune in 1998, and ran Hewlett-Packard from 1999 to 2005. She has been a staunch supporter and chief economic advisor to the McCain campaign since early 2008. She is, to use the California colloquialism, "hella" smart.
And she spoke the truth.
Now lets step back. When the networks got wind of this, they jumped on it like a pack of hyenas on a caribou carcass on the open plains of the Serengeti (I'm channelling theDiscourser right there) and scrambled to get an on-camera elaboration...and they did. Later that day, she appeared on NBC with Andrea Mitchell and everyone expected her to take back what she had said, claim that her depiction was taken out of context, tell the nation that she has the utmost respect for Palin's intellect and is coming on NBC to let everyone know this.
What happened was stunning. She not only did NOT take it back, but said that McCain couldn't run a company either, and that none of the candidates can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnBXXssj0KY
Another truthful answer, but it was a terrible answer from a political perspective. I honestly believe that if you were a friend of Carly's, hangin out having a beer or cup of coffee with her, away from any cameras or recording devices, she would tell you EXACTLY what she told the press...and I'm sure in a much less diplomatic way. She gave a straight answer.
Fiorina is imminently more qualified than Palin and I can tell you honestly that if Fiorina was chosen, I certainly would not have the same kind of revolting response as I've had with Palin's pick.
Anywayz, I'm currently reading, courtesy of theProf., "South Park Conservatives: The Revolt Against Liberal Media Bias". Good book actually, an "indictment" (too strong a word really) on media bias. My issue is in regards to conservative radio. Right-wing talk shows dominate radio talk show programming across the country: 1000+ affiliates to some 65. As the book demonstrates, this phenomenon is a "revolt" against mainstream media sources. But "revolt" aside, we're still talking 100 million listeners a week...Rush has 14 million just by himself. Not to claim that this tips the scale but nevertheless, Right wing media exists, flourishes, and impacts public perception.
I want to leave you with one more item regarding Right Wing Perception:
"* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
* If your name is Barrack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.
* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now.
You are The Boss... which team would you hire?
With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc.
Educational Background:
*Obama:*
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
*& Biden:*
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
*McCain:*
United States Naval Academy - Class rank *894* of 899
*& Palin*:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism
Now, which team are you going to hire ?
Ouch!
posted by supergoober at
12:57 PM
3 Comments:
Supergoober, I appreciate your points, and Carly is certainly right - runnig the country is nothing like running a corporation. Whether you are right about what she would say to friends over a beer is interesting. I hope you are wrong, for two reasons. 1) That shows a level of elitism that is already rampant in politics, and we do not need more of that (why do you think Palin is so popular). 2) If she was picked, or was running, she still wouldn't be a great candidate - yes she probably would have a decent fiscal idea of how to run a country, but you can't just fire an incompetent citizen like you can an employee - runnign a country is very, very different - you actually have to care about individuals, even non-productive ones, ones who don't "add to the bottom line".
this is why she is good as an advisor but not as a candidate, and it is the same reason that thediscourser, you, theacupuncturist, and me would all make good advisors but bad candidates. As introspective as we may be, we are, in many ways, incapable of engaging in the level of politics that is necessary. I know that I would guard against the tendency to feel like I should make all the decisions because I am smart, but just having that tendency is dangerous and authoritarian in it's impulse.
As to the "right wing media", you are correct, but I would assert that it is indeed a backlash, but it is also one other thing -entertaining. This is the fundamental mistake that "left-wing radio" has made. They think that it is sufficient to just say what they believe, and everyone will toe the line, just like on TV. You must know, supergoober, that millions of listeners are moderate to left, because the commentators are generally pretty funny (the major ones, anyway). Try listening to Alec Baldwin's attempt and you will know why no one else did. The left has fundamentally misunderstood radio as an entertainment media and has not yet recognized the type of charisma and humor that is needed on the radio (even Al Frankin couldn't hack it).
BTW, where did you get the list; I've herrd snippets of it before, but it is a good list, even though it does skew information by taking the most salacious bits and tarting them up a bit. I assume this was humor, but it just shows the same sort of one sidedness of which you accuse the right. It is pretty funny though, and I have facts that could even out most (but not all) of it, as well as facts that could make an equally one-sided list in the opposite direction, but neither of those things would be productive. Might as well talk about the left's claim to open-mindedness about everything tha tagrees with their position. Both are exercises in futility.
Finally, this provides me a nice bridge into the political elitism that is rampant on the left and on the right. I will tell you, there are plenty of smart people who couldn't afford Harvard or Yale (look at our group, for example), and plenty of dumb legacies who could (G.W. Bush for one, though IQ 125 isn't all that dumb, but compared to Yale's perception it is). And trust me, I have seen a lot of the kids that get into some of those high-powered schools.
More on all of this later, thanks for the opportunity to vent. Are you running L5R today?
Oh, yeah, just a quick shot back about the McCain education thing (couldn't resist, sorry); don't forget academy rankings include disciplinary actions, not just grades - apparently he was a maverick then, too.
"Following in the footsteps of his father and grandfather, McCain entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis. There, he was a friend and informal leader for many of his classmates,[9] and sometimes stood up for people who were being bullied.[4] He also became a lightweight boxer.[10] McCain came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel, he did not always obey the rules, and that contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899) despite a strong intelligence.[9][11] He did well in academic subjects that interested him, such as literature and history, but studied only enough to pass subjects he struggled with, such as mathematics.[4][12] McCain graduated in 1958.[9]"
This is from a wikipedia article, but it is well-documented:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
Palin was funding her own college education, thus the frequent changes - she would run out of money, then reenroll elsewhere when she made some more (through beauty pagents, interestingly enough).
Whereas Biden:
"Biden attended the University of Delaware in Newark,[10] where by his own later description he was a lazy student.[11] He graduated with a Bachelor of Arts with a double major in history and political science in 1965,[2] ranked 506th of 688 in his class.[12]
He went on to receive his Juris Doctor from Syracuse University College of Law in 1968,[10] where by his own description he again underperformed and ranked 76th of 85 students.[11][13] During his first year there, he was accused of having plagiarized 5 of 15 pages of a law review article. Biden said it was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and Biden was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F, which was subsequently dropped from his record.[13]"
Again, wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_biden#Early_life_and_education
Obama's credential's are probably impeccable (I haven't looked 'em up, I am getting bored with these antics), but a Juris Doctorate has no scholarly content requirement, just 3 years of intensive discussion and practice of law - translation, sit through enough class time and engage enough to get by, and you'll get through it. Hell, if I had the money, I guarantee I could complete that BS - you don't even need to write a dissertation - the doctoral degree that I'm considering requires a dissertation, and I can already tell the classwork is too easy for me (not trying to be arrogant, just pointing out a doctorate ain't that big a deal - at least not to me it ain't, don't you just adore the use of colloquialisms?)
Re. right wing radio, I totally agree that its primary purpose is to entertain...which is why I listen to it regularly!! hehe BTW, re. the major players.
1. Glenn Beck: Best of the bunch. Actually think he's pretty fair and sounds like a good guy. I wound'nt mind having a beer with the guy. Pretty sincere too and honest about his outrage.
2. Michael Savage: My fav. He is a lunatic and completely hilarious. I really don't believe he actually holds the beliefs he claims. His callers, however, are completely scary. He is a characature, but unfortunately, I think people actually take him seriously...
3. O'Rielly: A hypocrite. Can't listen to the guy unless he's debating someone I can't stand equally...then it's good radio.
4. Hannity: A huge boot-licking Repub lackey. He's not funny, not entertaining, and pretends to be "Fair and Balanced"??
5. Rush: He has almost single-handedly made being conservative cool, and spun the whole left-wing intellectual elitism on its head. He is compelling and at times entertaining but for the most part, I can't stand that he actually believes the shit he spews. I mean, this is a guy who called everyone picking on Palin as a sexist!!!!....Rush, the man who coined the term Femi-Nazi. This is just one example of his outrageous double-standard.
The reason I can't stand Rush more so than the rest is his hatred of liberals. I know Prof. you won't agree but it is soo clear, he despises the left...and I won't tolerate that. I don't believe the others believe this. At its worst, they think that left-wing folks are misguided. I suppose I shouldn't complain considering the left love to call anyone on the far-right racist Nazi's, so perhaps thats how he justifies it.
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